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	'''B:''' Right. And just anticipating some pushback you might get on that. I already know from your videos that you respond to John 1, the bit where the word was God. You contend that the lack of the definite article, it's not "ho theos" but just "theos," leads us to understand that it's not the word was God, but rather the word was a god. The word was divine. The word was deity, which is not the same as saying the word is "ho theos,'' the god.		'''B:''' Right. And just anticipating some pushback you might get on that. I already know from your videos that you respond to John 1, the bit where the word was God. You contend that the lack of the definite article, it's not "ho theos" but just "theos," leads us to understand that it's not the word was God, but rather the word was a god. The word was divine. The word was deity, which is not the same as saying the word is "ho theos,'' the god.

	'''D:''' Yeah, very god of very god. Yeah, this argument does not originate with me. This is what I think is the consensus view of evangelical scholars. Daniel Wallace very forcefully argued that Theos there is qualitative because it is ~~in Arthur's~~, because it lacks the definite article. It is qualitative. It is not saying Jesus is the God, it is saying Jesus is deity. And what I further argue is that Daniel Wallace and most others presuppose that God exhausts the category of deity. Therefore, to be deity is to be God.		'''D:''' Yeah, very god of very god. Yeah, this argument does not originate with me. This is what I think is the consensus view of evangelical scholars. Daniel Wallace very forcefully argued that Theos there is qualitative because it is anarthrous, because it lacks the definite article. It is qualitative. It is not saying Jesus is the God, it is saying Jesus is deity. And what I further argue is that Daniel Wallace and most others presuppose that God exhausts the category of deity. Therefore, to be deity is to be God.

	And I would argue that that is not the case. Even within John, we have references to Jesus quotes Psalm 82 and seems to be talking about the Israelites at Sinai and says the scriptures call them gods and you know the scripture cannot be broken. So even Jesus is appealing to references to other individuals as gods and John 10:30-33 gets brought up a lot in response to me. People are like well John 10:33 says you you make yourself God. That's also anarthrous. There's no definite article there. If we take that prose seriously, because it says you are human making yourself deity, making yourself divine. Anthropos and Theos, they both lack the definite article. They're both qualitative. You are human and yet are making yourself divine.		And I would argue that that is not the case. Even within John, we have references to Jesus quotes Psalm 82 and seems to be talking about the Israelites at Sinai and says the scriptures call them gods and you know the scripture cannot be broken. So even Jesus is appealing to references to other individuals as gods and John 10:30-33 gets brought up a lot in response to me. People are like well John 10:33 says you you make yourself God. That's also anarthrous. There's no definite article there. If we take that prose seriously, because it says you are human making yourself deity, making yourself divine. Anthropos and Theos, they both lack the definite article. They're both qualitative. You are human and yet are making yourself divine.

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