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	'''Chris Sims:''' "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." The Book of Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 1.		'''Chris Sims:''' "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." The Book of Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 1.

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	'''C:''' Hello, friends and neighbors, and welcome to Apocrypals. It's the podcast where two nonbelievers sit down and read the Bible, and we try not to be jerks about it. We are your heavenly hosts, the Sons of Thunder. My name is Chris Sims. With me as always is Benito Cereno. Benito, how are you on this fine afternoon?		'''C:''' Hello, friends and neighbors, and welcome to Apocrypals. It's the podcast where two nonbelievers sit down and read the Bible, and we try not to be jerks about it. We are your heavenly hosts, the Sons of Thunder. My name is Chris Sims. With me as always is Benito Cereno. Benito, how are you on this fine afternoon?

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	'''B:''' Yeah. You're the clown. I'm the Bible school guy. So it's my responsibility to make those corrections. So in terms of like quantity of people sending me notes, that was the biggest one. But the one in terms of like quality of wrongness, like the one I was absolutely the most wrong about. Yeah...		'''B:''' Yeah. You're the clown. I'm the Bible school guy. So it's my responsibility to make those corrections. So in terms of like quantity of people sending me notes, that was the biggest one. But the one in terms of like quality of wrongness, like the one I was absolutely the most wrong about. Yeah...

	So I was completely wrong about Goths being Arians. And I mean, like, Ostrogoths and Visigoths being followers of Arianism, not the fact that Mall Goths are primarily white, which is also true. But I only got this one from a couple of people. But let me just let me just read what I got from friend of the show, Ben Rowe, co-host of Scream Scene Podcast. Go check it out. We're getting close to Halloween times. You should go. He's getting back into the 1940s revival of horror movies. So if you want to hear about Son of Frankenstein and the Wolfman coming up pretty soon, go check out that show. Let me just read you what he sent me.		So I was completely wrong about Goths being Arians. And I mean, like, Ostrogoths and Visigoths being followers of Arianism, not the fact that Mall Goths are primarily white, which is also true. But I only got this one from a couple of people. But let me just let me just read what I got from friend of the show, Ben Rowe, co-host of Scream Scene Podcast. Go check it out. We're getting close to Halloween times. You should go. He's getting back into the 1940s revival of horror movies. So if you want to hear about Son of Frankenstein and the Wolfman coming up pretty soon, go check out that show. Let me just read you what he sent me.

	So: "I would argue it's not so out of line that an Ostrogoths would be an Arian. Odoacer was Arian in the 490s. The Lombards were Arians until the 600s and the Visigoths were Arians until like 581. The Ostrogoths in the story may not have understood the theological underpinnings of Arianism, but then how many modern Christians understand the distinction between, say, Lutherans and Calvinists or Episcopalians and Anglicans or Catholics and Orthodoxes, etc.?" If you do know those differences, don't tell us. That is a rhetorical question.		So: "I would argue it's not so out of line that an Ostrogoths would be an Arian. Odoacer was Arian in the 490s. The Lombards were Arians until the 600s and the Visigoths were Arians until like 581. The Ostrogoths in the story may not have understood the theological underpinnings of Arianism, but then how many modern Christians understand the distinction between, say, Lutherans and Calvinists or Episcopalians and Anglicans or Catholics and Orthodoxes, etc.?" If you do know those differences, don't tell us. That is a rhetorical question.

	OK, continuing: "The Goths being a Germanic people, it wasn't totally out of line for you to assume they were pagans, but they were mostly all converted to Arianism in the fourth century at the height of the Arian controversy. The Cappadocian missionary who converted the Goths did so by translating the Bible into the Gothic tongue, and that missionary was an Arian, so there went the whole society more or less when it converted. It was a pretty easy heresy to fall into since 'did the father create the son,' is practically the epitome of a trick question. So you can see why for a time, Arianism was actually the majority belief, which comes back to my theme of official doctrine versus local practice." So there's a smart thing I said. Thank goodness.		OK, continuing: "The Goths being a Germanic people, it wasn't totally out of line for you to assume they were pagans, but they were mostly all converted to Arianism in the fourth century at the height of the Arian controversy. The Cappadocian missionary who converted the Goths did so by translating the Bible into the Gothic tongue, and that missionary was an Arian, so there went the whole society more or less when it converted. It was a pretty easy heresy to fall into since 'did the father create the son,' is practically the epitome of a trick question. So you can see why for a time, Arianism was actually the majority belief, which comes back to my theme of official doctrine versus local practice." So there's a smart thing I said. Thank goodness.

	"The Goths wanted to be seen as the Roman successor state, and they associated Roman society with Christian belief. So conversion happened pretty easily because the Gothic kings were eager to portray themselves as civilized once they conquered Europe. In Italy, Arian Christianity was even more commonly referred to as Gothic Christianity because most Arians that an Italian would meet would be Goths. The Gothic kingdom switched over to Nicene belief after the Third Council of Toledo in 489, and so approximately 30 years after Benedict and Totilla. But what finally got rid of Arianism wasn't so much edicts and councils as it was brutal religious warfare among the Gothic kingdoms and Roman splinter states during the early Dark Ages that basically lasted until all the major Arian populations were converted or dead." There we go.		"The Goths wanted to be seen as the Roman successor state, and they associated Roman society with Christian belief. So conversion happened pretty easily because the Gothic kings were eager to portray themselves as civilized once they conquered Europe. In Italy, Arian Christianity was even more commonly referred to as Gothic Christianity because most Arians that an Italian would meet would be Goths. The Gothic kingdom switched over to Nicene belief after the Third Council of Toledo in 489, and so approximately 30 years after Benedict and Totilla. But what finally got rid of Arianism wasn't so much edicts and councils as it was brutal religious warfare among the Gothic kingdoms and Roman splinter states during the early Dark Ages that basically lasted until all the major Arian populations were converted or dead." There we go.

	So I was completely wrong about that one, 100% wrong, and that one feels really bad because that is a geographical space and a historical time that allegedly I know some things about. And so that was a heck of a goofin' goof heck right there on my part. So uh...		So I was completely wrong about that one, 100% wrong, and that one feels really bad because that is a geographical space and a historical time that allegedly I know some things about. And so that was a heck of a goofin' goof heck right there on my part. So uh...

	'''C:''' You hecked up that one, buddy.		'''C:''' You hecked up that one, buddy.

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